Tanner lectures on human values: "Morality and the Social Instincts: Continuity with the Other Primates"

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Hello

In hierdie brief word 'n lesing aangebied deur Frans De Waal by Princeton Universiteit in 2003 gevolg en open Professor De Waal sy lesing met Huxley, Darwin se 'aanvalshond'. Die oomblik in 1893 waar Huxley met Darwin verskil oor die aard van die etiese en die morele en aanvoer dat dit met groot inspanning is dat die mens teen sy natuur optree en dat kultuur die stryd teen evolusie gewen het en hier die nodige korreksie bied teen die wreedheid van die natuur, die bekende, "red in tooth and claw". Hierdie kry ondersteuning in Sigmund Freud se denke ook wat beskawing se oorsprong sien in die onderdrukking deur die mens van sy eie natuur en is dit weereens net die kulturele wat die volgende aspekte van die mens onderdruk:

"Morality is a thin crust underneath which boil human passions that are invariably antisocial, amoral, and egoistic".

Dit is 'n baie somber blik van die mens en terwyl Freud kultuur as die oplossing sien sal die godsdienstige verlossing vind in die goddelike en die aspekte soos uitgelig toeskryf aan die sondeval en die invloed van bose magte. Hier word ook nou Kobus se stelling verwys wat dit duidelik gestel het dat evolusie geen antwoord kan bied op die morele, dit wat goed is en dat evolusie geen bewys het nie.

Aangesien die mens in sekere kringe beskryf word as die vyfde aap, is daar ‘n verwysing waarteen die mens getoets kan word om te bevestig watter eienskappe is deur evolusie ontwikkel om deel van die aard van die menslike natuur en daarom ook dan in dierlike terme.   

Daarom word daar nou beweeg na die tweede aspek van die lesing, Darwin se ontleding van hoe die etiese in terme van evolusie ontwikkel het in die mens. Professor De Waal beskryf dit in die volgende terme:

Evolution favors animals that assist each other if by doing so they achieve long-term benefits of greater value than the benefits derived from going it alone and competing with others.

In die lig van bogenoemde is dit dan aanvaarbaar om die proses van evolusie as selfsugtig te beskryf, soos gesien kan word in die gereelde misbruik van die term 'selfish genes', waar die wat dit misbruik op gereelde basis aanvoer dit is hierdie proses wat die mens selfsugtig maak.

Darwin se argumente het dit nie as gevolg nie en word die volgende verwysing gebruik om dit te bevestig:

“Many animals certainly sympathize with each other’s distress or danger” [Darwin 1982 (1871): 77]), because it is in this domain that striking continuities exist between humans and other social animals. To be vicariously affected by the emotions of others must be very basic, because these reactions have been reported for a great variety of animals and are often immediate and uncontrollable. They undoubtedly derive from parental care, in which vulnerable individuals are fed and protected, but in many animals stretch well beyond this domain, extending to relations among unre- lated adults".
Darwin as 'n persoon van sy tyd was weer beïnvloed deur Adam Smith, Skotse filosoof en die vader van ekonomie en kan Adam Smith se denke wat dit betref soos volg verwoord word:

"How selfish soever man may be supposed, there are evidently some principles in his nature, which interest him in the fortune of others, and render their happiness necessary to him, though he derives nothing from it, except the pleasure of seeing it".

Hierdie is nie 'n raaisel nie aangesien die mens in 'n groep funksioneer en oor tyd ontwikkel het om 'n sosiale wese te wees wat lojaliteit en ondersteuning kan bied in die wat deel van die groep is. Dit beteken dat die wat Darwin se argumente verwerp die kern idee mis wat Darwin verwoord het oor evolusie in verband met moraliteit aangesien Darwin dit as 'n duidelike produk van evolusie gesien het. Hiermee word die effek van kultuur nie ontken nie maar bevestig dit hoe vloeibaar die menslike natuur en dit wat goed is vir die samelewing saamgewerk het om die realiteit soos dit vandag daarna uitsien.

Hierdie is die inleiding van Professor De Waal se inleiding maar in lyn met die titel is die lesse geleer van primate sekerlik die kern en word dit soos volg beskryf en onder die volgende aspekte bespreek:

Empatie:

Aangesien empatie getoon deur enige dier wat in groepe funksioneer beteken dit dat hierdie eienskap het biologiese voordele vir die enkeling en die groep in oorlewing asook om te kan floreer. Indien hierdie eienskappe nie deel van die natuur was nie, is dit moontlik om die bestaan voorgestel wat dit tot gevolg sou bring. Waarneming bevestig egter dat hierdie is nie 'n realiteit nie.

Vertroosting:

As 'n onderafdeling van die groter aspek van empatie, bevestig Professor De Waal dat met sy eksperimente en waarneming van die primate in sy sorg is vertroosting soos dit benodig sou word in die groep deur 'n enkeling gelewer wanneer daar ongemak in die enkeling waargeneem is. Professor De Waal vertel ook van hoe hyself 'n 'tranedal' opsit en daar dan aktief gepoog word deur lede van die primate onder sy sorg om hom te vertroos.

Hierdie is stof tot nadenke aangesien daar geen werklike wins vir die primaat is om troos te bied nie, aangesien die omstandighede doodeenvoudig ignoreer kan word sonder enige negatiewe gevolge, maar tog word daar gestop deur die primaat en vertroosting word gebied.

Dankbaarheid:

Hierdie is nie net 'n Bybelse term nie en bevestig Professor De Waal weereens dat die primate in sy sorg dankbaarheid betoon aan die wat goed aan 'n individu in die groep betoon het. 'n Een tot een verhouding en kan as heel 'menslik' beskryf word en hierdie word waargeneem in die dier en word soos volg beskryf:

It was found that adults were more likely to share food with individuals who had groomed them earlier. In other words, if A had groomed B in the morning, B was more likely than usual to share food with A later in the day. This result, however, could be explained in two ways. The first is the “good mood” hypothesis according to which individuals who have received grooming are in a benevolent mood, leading them to share indiscriminately with all individuals. The second explanation is the direct-exchange hypothesis, in which the individual who has been groomed responds by sharing food specifically with the groomer. The data indicated that the sharing increase was specific to the previous groomer. In other words, chimpanzees appeared to remember others who had just performed a service (grooming) and respond to those individuals by sharing more with them.

Net so word die teenwoordigheid van regverdigheid ook waargeneem en beskryf.

Aangesien ek dit nie beter kan stel as Professor De Waal nie sluit ek af met sy woorde en moet die inleiding van hierdie brief as die vertrekpunt gesien word en is hierdie dan die finale antwoord:

This belief, however, represents a monumental confusion between process and outcome. Natural selection is indeed a merciless process of elimination, yet it has the capacity to produce an incredible range of organisms, from the most asocial and competitive to the kindest and gentlest. If we assume that the building blocks of morality are among its many products, as Darwin did, then morality, instead of being a human-made veneer, should be looked at as an integral part of our history as group living animals, hence an extension of our primate social instincts.

Baie dankie

Wouter

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  • Hello, 

     
    Wat is meer menslik as om bewus te wees van jou dood wat vir jou wag en dan daarmee tesame die periode waarin jy uiteindelik tot sterwe kom. Hierdie is so 'n goeie artikel en het dit my diep geraak met die eerste lees daarvan en wil ek dit graag deel met die lesers hier en in aanvulling tot die inleidende brief plaas. Hierdie is uit die New York Times se Sondag uitgawe van die laaste week in Junie 2013. 
     
    June 25, 2013
    Want to Understand Mortality? Look to the Chimps
    By MAGGIE KOERTH-BAKER
     
    Pansy was probably in her 50s when she died, which is pretty good for a chimpanzee. She passed in a way most of us would envy — peacefully, with her adult daughter, Rosie, and her best friend, Blossom, by her side. Thirty years earlier, Pansy and Blossom arrived together at the Blair Drummond Safari and Adventure Park near Stirling, Scotland. They raised their children together. Now, as Pansy struggled to breathe, Blossom held her hand and stroked it.When the scientists at the park realized Pansy’s death was imminent, they turned on video cameras, capturing intimate moments during her last hours as Blossom, Rosie and Blossom’s son, Chippy, groomed her and comforted her as she got weaker. After she passed, the chimps examined the body, inspecting Pansy’s mouth, pulling her arm and leaning their faces close to hers. 
     
    Blossom sat by Pansy’s body through the night. And when she finally moved away to sleep in a different part of the enclosure, she did so fitfully, waking and repositioning herself dozens more times than was normal. 
     
    For five days after Pansy’s death, none of the other chimps would sleep on the platform where she died.
     
    This account was published in 2010 in the journal Current Biology, but it’s not the only time scientists have watched chimpanzees, bonobos and other primates deal with death in ways that look strikingly like our own informal rituals of mourning: watching over the dying, cleaning and protecting bodies and displaying outward signs of anxiety. 

    Are they just animals, or are they something closer to us? 

    Understanding how chimpanzees cope with death is part of that increasing sense of closeness.Brian Hare, an evolutionary anthropologist at Duke University, is convinced that an ape death he witnessed gave him a glimpse into something significant, especially because the animals acted so thoroughly against their own interests. 

    “As a person, I can tell you what it feels like to watch,” says Hare, who describes the experience as emotionally intense. “As a scientist, though, you’re supposed to rely on ideas that can be tested and falsified. And how could you possibly do an ethical experiment here?” 

    Hare studies how chimpanzees and bonobos solve problems, and in 2007 he happened to see one of our closest evolutionary relatives die. He was at a bonobo orphanage in the Democratic Republic of Congo when Lipopo, a newcomer to the orphanage, died unexpectedly from pneumonia. Although the other bonobos could have moved away from his body and traveled anywhere in their very large, heavily forested enclosure, they chose to stay and groom Lipopo’s corpse. When their caretakers arrived to remove the body, the vigil morphed into a tense standoff.In the video Hare took, Mimi, the group’s alpha female, stands guard over Lipopo’s body. When the caretakers try to push the corpse out of the enclosure with long poles, Mimi fights them, viciously. She grabs the poles with both hands, wrenching them away from Lipopo. She calls to other bonobos, who help her fend off the humans from two sides. Even when the vet arrives with a tranquilizer gun, Mimi stands her ground, her mouth open wide in a scream that’s inaudible in the silent film. Mimi wasn’t related to Lipopo. In fact, she barely knew him, Hare told me. But Mimi was willing to risk an encounter with a gun to protect the body of a mere acquaintance. 

    “That’s why I started to cry,” Hare said. “I don’t know why she did it.”The results of primate-behavior studies can be humbling for humans because they often call into question our anthropocentric view of the world. 

    Observable deaths don’t happen often, and they don’t happen in quite the same way each time. It’s hard to say definitively what Hare saw: Mimi might have been as protective of anything left in her pen, whether dead body or old sandbag.Further observation might help us identify the substrate beneath human culture. Take the grooming of the dead, for instance. 

    All human cultures address the cleaning of dead bodies in different ways, Hare says, but all of them do something to cleanse corpses. In fact, compared with most other animals, primates share an inordinate concern for cleanliness, even for those no longer with us. Finding out if this is behavior we share with chimps and bonobos, as it appears to be, could cast a new light on our own funerary rituals and even, perhaps, our notions of purity in the afterlife.

    When they die off, they take with them behaviors that we might not find anywhere else and that we don’t yet understand — maybe including, somewhat tragically, the extent to which they comprehend their own demise.
     
  • Wouter, dit is ek wat "baie dankie" moet sê vir 'n uiters interessante saak wat jy weer onder die aandag bring. Hoop jy kan dinge nog mettertyd verder voer. Groetnis. George

  • Beste Wouter

     
    Baie dankie vir die insiggwende artikel. Die groepsding is definitief een van die redes hoekom wesens vir mekaar omgee. Dis nie eie aan die mens nie en mens sien dit selfs by insekte, spinnekoppe, voëls en visse. Dit gaan duidelik daaroor dat die individu voordeel trek as die groep as geheel goed versorg word.
     
    Soos gewoonlik het jy weer 'n baie goeie artikel geskryf, wat my wyer laat dink. Ek verstaan net nie mooi wat jy bedoel in die paragraaf oor empatie nie. Miskien kan jy dit beter verduidelik. Wat bedoel jy dat dit nie deur waarneming as realiteit bevestig is nie? Dit klink dan juis asof hierdie eienskap wel by groepe in die natuur vookom en dat dit hulle tot vooreel strek.
     
    Groete
     
    Perdebytjie
  • Beate Wouter,

     
    Dis nou 'n roerende verhaal van die Sjimpansees en bonobo's. Ons het ook iets soortgelyk waargeneem onder 'n trop olifante in die Sabi-Sand Wildreservaat. Daar was 'n gebreklike kleintjie met swak ontwikkelde agterlyf. Vir sewe jaar het die trop haar gekoester en spesiaal aangepas om bv stadiger te loop, haar te beskerm binne in die groep en haar op te help wanneer sy neerval. Ongelukkig is sy onlangs deur hiënas aangeval en doodgemaak. Die trop kon haar nie langer beskerm nie, want sy was te swak.
     
    Dis nou voorwaar 'n voorbeeld van empatie, want die trop kon geen baat daarby vind om haar so te versorg nie.
  • Hello, 

     
    Baie dankie George en verskoning dat jou gesprek elders uitgedraai het soos dit gedoen het....
     
    Perdebytjie baie dankie vir die voorbeeld wat jy ook gelewer het. 
     
    Ek plaas hiermee die gedeelte uit die lesing waarop my gedeelte oor empatie gebaseer was en is daar geen twyfel dat Professor De Waal dit beter stel: 
     
    Section 4 discusses continuity between the two main pillars of human morality and primate behavior. Empathy and reciprocity have been described as the chief “prerequisites” (de Waal 1996) or “building blocks” of morality (Flack and de Waal 2000), meaning that whereas they are by no means sufficient to produce morality as we know it, they are indispensable.
     
    4. Animal Empathy
     
    When Carolyn Zahn-Waxler visited homes to find out how children respond to family members instructed to feign sadness (sobbing), pain (crying), or distress (choking), she discovered that children a little over one year of age already comfort others. This is a milestone in their development: an aversive experience in another person draws out a concerned response. 
     
    An unplanned sidebar to her classical study, however, was that household pets appeared as worried as the children by the “distress” of family members. They hovered over them or put their heads in their laps (Zahn-Waxler et al. 1984).Intersubjectivity has many aspects apart from emotional  linkage, such as an appraisal of the other’s situation, experience-based predictions about the other’s behavior, extraction of information from the other that is valuable to the self, and an understanding of the other’s knowledge and intentions. When the emotional state of one individual induces a matching or related state in another, we speak of emotional contagion (Hat- field et al. 1993). 
     
    With increasing differentiation between self and other, and an increasing appreciation of the precise circumstances underlying the emotional states of others, emotional contagion develops into empa thy.
     
    Empathy  encompasses—and  could  not  possibly  exist  without— emotional contagion, yet goes beyond it in that it places filters between the other’s state and the own, adding a cognitive layer. In empathy, the subject does not confuse its own internal state with the other’s. These various levels of empathy, including personal distress and sympathetic concern, are defined and discussed by Nancy Eisenberg (2000).
     
    Empathy is a social phenomenon with great adaptive significance for animals in groups. That most modern textbooks on animal cognition do not index empathy or sympathy does not mean that these capacities are not essential; it only means that they have been overlooked by a science traditionally focused on individual rather than interindividual capacities. Inasmuch as the survival of many animals depends on concerted action, mutual aid, and information transfer, selection must have favored proximate mechanisms to evaluate the emotional states of others and quickly respond to them in adaptive ways. Even though the human empathy literature often emphasizes the cognitive side of this ability, proposing complex simulations or evaluations of the other’s state, Martin Hoffman (1981b: 79) rightly notes that “humans must be equipped biologically to function effectively in many social situations without undue reliance on cognitive processes.
     
    ”Empathy, which allows us to relate to the emotional states of others, seems critical for the regulation of social interactions, such as coordinated activity, cooperation toward a common goal, social bonding, and care of others. 
     
    It would be strange indeed if such an essential survival mechanism, which arises so early in life in all members of our species, would totally lack animal parallels....
     
    Early Experiments proving the above: 
     
    An interesting older literature by experimental psychologists (reviewed by Preston and de Waal 2002a and 2002b and de Waal 2003) placed the words “empathy” and “sympathy” between quotation marks. In those days, talk of animal emotions was all but taboo. In a paper provocatively entitled “Emotional Reactions of Rats to the Pain of Others,” R. M. Church (1959) established that rats that had learned to press a lever to obtain food would stop doing so if their response was paired with the delivery of an electric shock to a visible neighboring rat. Even though this inhibition habituated rapidly, it suggested something aversive about the pain reactions of others. Perhaps such reactions arouse negative emotions in rats that see and hear them.Monkeys show a stronger inhibition than rats. 
     
    The most compelling evidence for the strength of empathy in monkeys came from S. Wechkin et al. (1964) and J. Masserman et al. (1964). They found that rhesus monkeys refuse to pull a chain that delivers food to themselves if doing so shocks a companion. One monkey stopped pulling for five days, and another one for twelve days after witnessing shock delivery to a compan- ion. These monkeys were literally starving themselves to avoid inflict- ing pain upon another. Such sacrifice relates to the tight social system and emotional linkage among macaques, as supported by the finding that the inhibition to hurt another was more pronounced between famil- iar rather than unfamiliar individuals (Masserman et al. 1964). ....
     
    Baie dankie
     
    Wouter
  • Beste Wouter

     
    Dankie vir die terugvoer. Dis tog tragies dat die mens in sy grootheidswaan, emosies soos empatie, liefde en hartseer net aan menslikheid gekoppel het. Dit kom duidelik na vore, dat hierdie emosies ook in die natuur voorkom. Om te dink dat daar op 'n stadium selfs bespiegel is oor of diere siele het en in die hemel kan kom ... bisar verby! 
     
    Dit bly ook 'n klad teen die mensdom dat diere gebruik is vir wrede eksperimente soos die voorbeeld van die apies.
     
    Groete
     
    Perdebytjie
  • Hello Perdebytjie, 

     
    Dit het 'n tyd geneem vir my om te verstaan hoekom ek 'instinktief' teen wrede eksperimente op diere is, vir ons sjampoos ens, dit is ironies dan die apies meer terughouding as die mense getoon het wat die eksperimente gedoen het. 
     
    Ek en my ma gesels nou die ander dag. My oupa, oorlede 17 jaar gelede, het as 'n jong man niks daarvan gedink om die pasgbore katjies te onthoof omdat hulle te veel is nie met geboorte. Hierdie is nie 'n oordeel nie maar kom na my ma se gunsteling kat doodgebyt is deur hulle hond en ek en sy praat dat ons vandag dit nie kan doen nie. 
     
    Daar is geen manier nie. 
     
    My broer het 'n hond gehad met die naam Champ, en die is uitgesit weens kanker en het my broer merkbaar getreur oor Champ, maar wat ook uitgestaan het was dat daar 'n gesprek tussen my en hom was of oor Champ 'n siel het, hy moes hom laat uitsit en dit hom gery en moes ek probeer verduidelik dat die idee van siel is 'n idee met 'n lang historiese aanloop en dat die hele konsep van siel bevraagteken kan word en dat Champ daarom dan nie 'n siel het nie en dat die verlossing van die pyn dalk 'n goeie ding was. 
     
    Steven Pinker volg Peter Singer dat die sirkel bly uitbrei en dat dit nou al diere insluit. 
     
    Verstommend. 
     
    Baie dankie
     
    Wouter 
  • Beste Wouter

     
    Dan dink die mens nog steeds hy is hierdie wonderlike wese wat soveel uitsonderlike eienskappe het en die "kroon van die skepping" is! Dis hierdie verwronge idee wat gemaak het dat mense dwarsdeur die eeue diere misbruik en mishandel.
     
    Dink bv aan die rituele van offers, wat veral in die Bybel sterk uitkom. Wat 'n walglike besigheid! Dan ook die bulgevegte in Spanje, die doodmaak van beeste deur jong seuns tydens inisiasie, in ons eie land ... alles in die naam van kultuur. Selfs die jaarlikse gehardloop voor woedende bulle uit (ook in Spanje) het 'n streep van wreedheid weg en ek kry eintlik lekker as die klomp testosteroonswape deur 'n bul of twee gegaffel word!
     
    Ek kan ure oor hierdie onderwerp aangaan, omdat diere my na aan die hart lê, maar ek dink daar is alreeds baie daaroor gesê. Nou bly dit 'n kwessie van opvoeding, sodat die geslagte na ons, 'n beter omgee vir ons  stemlose aardbewoners kan ontwikkel.
     
    Groete
     
    Perdebytjie
     
     
  • Hello Perdebytjie, 

     
    Ek is bly dat ek gediskwalifiseer is van die oppas van kinders, want aangesien ek nie eers agter 'n dier kan kyk nie, maar het ek 'n reeks honde gehad met die naam, Shuba', in my jeug en kan vandag nog nie verby 'n wolfhond loop sonder om hulle te probeer streel en my te verkyk aan hulle. 
     
    Net soos katte, sekere soorte, vir my seker van die mooiste diere is wat daar is en ek ons nou oorlede kat, 'Nikki', beskryf het as, dat ek verlief was op hom was, hom my prins genoem, natuurlik is ek ignoreer en het net my pa 'n slag met hom gehad, maar gedurig het ek gewonder, wat dink 'Nikki', sy innerlike bestaan het my fassineer. 
     
    Daarom, al kan ek nie kind of dier grootmaak nie, is ek tog baie lief vir diere. Darem die kinders ook. Altyd van 'n afstand, dit is nou dier en kind, maar kan ek ook nie enige vorm van wreedheid of mishandeling van 'n dier aanvaar nie en beaam ek jou hoop dat hierdie beskerming sal uitbrei en 'normaal' sal word. 
     
    Soos aangedui in die Peter Singer van 'n tyd terug. 
     
    Maar ek is jou eens, volkome. 
     
    Baie dankie
     
    Wouter
  • Hello Perdebytjie, 

     
    Voor ek vergeet, kyk hierdie Walt Disney van 1938, 'n bul, wat as 'n jong bul net wil sit en die blomme wil ruik, waar hy stil en eenkant niemand pla nie. Sy ma verstaan al is sy koei. Tot en met eendag wanneer Ferdinand wel weggeneem word vir 'n bulgeveg: 


    Baie dankie

    Wouter
  • Beste Wouter

     
    Ek onthou die storie alte goed. Ek het as kind so 'n voosgeleesde boekie oor Ferdinand the Bull gehad. Al was ek so klein, het die storie my verskriklik hartseer gemaak. Dis nou al hoeveel jare later en nog niks het verander nie. Bulgevegte en dieremishandeling gaan net eenvoudig voort!
     
    Dankie vir die skakel.
     
    Groete
     
    Perdebytjie.
  • Hello Perdebytjie, 

     
    Ek wil juis Ferdinand wees, onder 'n boom en waar hy letterlik gestop het en die blomme ruik, 'stop and smell the flowers'. Ferdinand is juis gelukkig. 
     
    Maar jou argument staan. 
     
    Baie dankie
     
    Wouter
  • Hello, 

     
    Vanuit die afdeling 'whimsy & caprice' word die nie bestaan van die siel bevestig deur Bart Simpson en is sy dialoog soos volg: 
     
    Bart: Milhouse! I cannot believe you sold me out!
     
    Milhouse: Sorry about that, Bart, but I did not want hungry birds eating my soul.
     
    Bart: You actually fell for that one? There is no such thing as a soul. It's just something they make up to scare kids, like the Boogeyman or Michael Jackson. 
     
    Milhouse: Of course there is a soul, Bart. Why would the church talk about saving souls if they have nothing to gain from it?

    Bart {sarcastically}: So, Milhouse, where is your soul?

    Milhouse points towards his temple.

    Milhouse: It is believed to be right around here. When you sneeze, that is your soul trying to escape your body. Saying "God bless you" makes it go back in. Once you die it flies up to Heaven.

    Bart {unimpressed}: Uh-huh, and what if you die on a ship that sinks to the seabed of the Southern Ocean?

    Milhouse: Oh, it can swim. It has even got wheels if you die of dehydration in the middle of the Gobi Desert and it needs to get out of there fast.

    Bart: How can someone with glasses so thick be so dull? I do not have a soul. You do not have a soul. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SOUL!


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