Te danke aan George, en sy inset op my skrywe aangaande "The Untold and Played-down History of the Catholic Church", verwys ek graag na die volgende skakel wat George aanbeveel het, nl nexusmagazine.com. Die artikel bestaande uit 3 dele en handel oor die geskiedenis van die Roomse Pouse, van die 9de eeu nC tot en met die Protestantse Reformasie.
Hierdie historiese oorsig van die Pousdom oortref by vêr die beste fiksie, en verbyster die verbeelding en geloofwaardigheid so totaal dat as dit nie deur gerespekteerde historici gedokumenteer was nie, sou mens geneig voel om dit afmaak as swartpropaganda om die Roomse Kerk te diskrediteer. Die uitlatings van die Pouse self staan op rekord, en hulle eie optrede is dan die onteenseglike bewyse vir hulle eie misdade.
Hier volg enkele uittreksels van die artikel:
The Church claims that the choice of every pope was guided by the Holy Spirit, aided indirectly but effectively by bribery, armies, warships and weaponry. The power of the papacy rested upon the "right of the sword" (Bull Unam Sanctam, Boniface VIII, 18 November 1302; overview in Catholic Encyclopedia,xv, p126), which the Roman Catholic Church emphatically claims today in its esoteric Code of Canon Law.
It is revealing to read New Testament narratives in which Jesus Christ defined his mission: " I have come not to bring peace, but the sword" ( Matt.10:34) and instructed his followers to sell their clothes and buy a sword ( Luke 22:36) The history of the papacy reveals that the popes took Jesus´ advice, for they imputed to Christ the horrid justification of the sword and the infernal principles of more than a thousands years of unrestrained criminal activity.
Denis Dederot ( 1713 - 83) stel dit so voor in sy "Encyclopédie": "To the students of genuine history, the facts are so notorious that the alliance of the papal hierarchy with brutality and treachery, and the wilful neglect of reform, is confronted by the serious prospect of the spiritual ruin of the Catholic faith".
Die genocide van die Cathars in die Suide van Frankryk is die werk van die Pous Lucius III ( 1181-85) en die vervolging van hierdie vreedsame mense in die Suide van Frankryk het plaasgevind onder die dekmantel van kettery ( heresy). Die werklike rede was om hulle lande en rykdom te konfiskeer om die Pousdom daarmee te verryk. "In this period of Christian history, hundreds of thousands of people were butchered by the Church and the fairest half of France was laid desolate."
Heresy, said the Church, was a blow in the face of God and it was the duty of every Christian to kill heretics. Earlier still, Pope Gregory VII ( 1020-85) officially declared that " killing of heretics is not murder", and decreed it legal for the Church and its militants to kill non-believers in Christian dogma.
En wat het die pouse self gedink van die Christelike geloof? "Leo X made an amazing announcement that the Church has since tried hard to invalidate. Raising a chalice of wine into the air, Pope Leo toasted: How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors.”
Met die lees van hierdie stukkie geskiedenis wonder mens oor die geweld waarvoor die Bybel blykbaar die inspirasie is - want niks dergeliks sal mens vind in die skrifte van Confucius en die Boeddhisme nie, die primêre gelowe in die Ooste. Geweld staan sentraal in die Christelike geloof, en is deur die Kerk ook offisieel goedgekeur.
Pieter Redelinghuys
Kommentaar
Beste Pieter,
Waar jy ookal met onderdrukkers en anderhaters paaie kruis sal jy onvermydelik in hul negatiewe wêreld van gedagtes en gevoelens betrek word.
Die aanhalings in jou bydrae hierbo is absurd, om die minste te seg!
Op die spoor geplaas deur 'n George Bekker, veral ...
Ek deel hierdie skakel as een van vele sulkes met diegene wat werklik meer hieromtrent wil weet: http://www.thedevineevidence.com/skeptic_quotes.html
Ek haal die volgende daaruit aan:
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us!" or "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"
Though rarely accompanied by a source, this quote is always attributed to Pope Leo X. When a source is offered, it is sometimes cited as being found in the 14th edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, Volume 19, Page 217.
Not only do these pages not mention the quote, it is not even the volume that contains the Pope Leo X article! His article is found in Volume 13 on pages 926-928. Though I read the encyclopedia article, this quote appears nowhere within the text. Even though the encyclopedia admits to Leo leaving the papacy virtually bankrupt upon his death, this quote is never attributed to him.
So where did this quote originate? Skeptics claim Leo said this to a member of his entourage who later attributed the quote to him. However, the quote has now been attributed to the 16th century satirist and playwright, John Bale. John Bale joined the Protestant movement after becoming disenchanted with the corruption of the Catholic church. He wrote many parodies in which he openly expressed his disdain of papal abuse. One of his satirical works known as The Pageant of the Popes is the actual source of the quote in question (paraphrased in modern English for the reader's convenience):
"For on a time when a cardinal Bembus did move a question out of the Gospel, the Pope gave him a very contemptuous answer saying: All ages can testify enough how profitable that fable of Christ hath been to us and our company." (Pageant of the Popes Page 179)
Even the Catholic Encyclopedia explains this quote does not come from Leo: "His piety cannot truly be described as deep or spiritual, but that does not justify the continued repetition of his alleged remark: 'How much we and our family have profited by the legend of Christ, is sufficiently evident to all ages.' John Bale, the apostate English Carmelite, the first to give currency to these words in the time of Queen Elizabeth, was not even a contemporary of Leo." Catholic Encyclopedia
CONCLUSION: This quote is from a fictional 16th century work written as a parody. Presenting this as a legitimate quote would be as absurd as attributing a line from a Shakespearian play to the real life character whom an actor depicted.
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Pieter, dis nie nodig om soveel verraad teenoor jouself te pleeg deur Chris Dippenaar se beste vriend in die regte lewe George Bekker, of hul slimjan Wouter Ferns se hoëre vrot vleis te kou nie.
Namaste!
Cornelius Henn
Beste Cornelius,
Dankie vir jou terugvoer wat ek waardeer. Om 'n lang diskussie kort te knip, as jou weergawe, basseer op die Catholic Encyclopedia, van Pous Leo X se infame uitlating dan korrek is, verwonder ek my net oor die venyn van die christene in "die opposisie" om so blatant myneed te pleeg, dus om vals getuienis teen die man te bring.
Maar dit is slegs die top van die ysberg wat die uiters morele korrupsie van die sg. "Vicars of Christ" uit te lig. Die staande weermag van die Pouse, "the Catholic army", was volgens die outeur Tony Bushby " the most appalling killing machine Europe had ever seen".
Wat mens veral letterlik siek laat voel is die wyse waarop die Kerk bygstaan het terwyl die Amerindiërs uitgemoor is. Trouens, meeste van die brutaalste aksies van die Kerk, of dit nou die vervolging van "ketters" was, of die marteling van homoseksuele, is die Kerk gemotifeer deur materiële gewin, om die eiendomme en aardse besitiings van die betrokke slagoffers te kon konfiskeer vir die koffers van die Pouse en die Kerk.
Dit alles is nou wel geskiedenis, en lê gebêre in die verlede, maar om die hede te verstaan, moet mens ook terugkyk om te sien waar die Kerk vandaan kom.
Beste groete,
Pieter Redelinghuys