Segregasie en Apartheid: 'n Lesing aangebied deur Lilly White

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Hello, 

JM Coetzee het Elizabeth Costello, 'n dame wat nie sonder handskoene aangepak word nie. Ek het Lilly White en is Lilly aan die woord en aangesien sy Engels is, is die oordaad van Engels uit haar pen en het ek slegs hand bygesit met die minimale Afrikaans hier en daar en het ek die inleiding vir haar dikteer. Die res is alles Lilly en haar verwysings uit die boeke geleen by my. 

Die persoon wat agter die Engelse skuil en dan agter die naam Jan Rap is daardie soort Afrikaner waarvoor 'n mens net jou kop in skaamte kan laat sak en dan aan die hand van Jeanne Goosen vir die wat wil oordeel meedeel, 'ons almal is nie so nie', ons almal is nie 'n Jan Rap nie of Cornelius Henn nie. Ek het gewik en geweeg voor hierdie geplaas is, aangesien hierdie so 'n sinnelose gesprek is. Hierdie is erger as die ergste vergrype van die 'flat earth societies' of enige iets waarmee die regse gekkegrens vorendag kan kom, maar is dit ook tiperend van die broeders en susters van daardie gemeente. Ek put mildelik vanuit die boeke geleen by Wouter en verwys na groot dele daarvan in dit wat volg. 

Daar word begin met The Fall of Apartheid The Inside Story from Smuts to Mbeki deur Robert Harvey. Hierdie werk toon ooreenstemming met Endgame: Secret Talks and the End of Apartheid van Willie Esterhuyse. Dit is vreemd hoe iets kan eindig wat nie bestaan het nie. Die deel van Harvey se boek wat ek wil uitlig gaan soos volg en word die beskrywing van Hoofstuk Drie gevolg:

The history of modern South Africa might be said to have begun in May 1902, when a host of bedraggled Boer leaders converged on Vereeniging. The Boers, according to a witness, were, ‘starving, ragged men, clad in skins or sacking, their bodies covered with sores, from lack of salt and food ... their appearance was a great shock to us, who came from the better-conditioned forces in the Cape. The Boers’ corrupt and obscurantist government had sought to disenfranchise not just the blacks but the British on their territory, daring the colonial authorities to do nothing about it and the Boers formulated their own ideology for promoting their language should they  ever attain power over the English. Smuts and Botha now proceeded to press for a constitutional convention to set up a new basis for South Africa – something which was welcome to the British, who had always wanted a union. The Afrikaners believed they could dominate the new union and set it up on their terms – and they turned out to be right. The convention decided on a unitary constitution. When Cape leaders sought to entrench black voting rights in the new constitution, they accepted a compromise proposal by Smuts that would allow each province to retain its own method. Smuts thus secured a vital concession for the Afrikaners: a weighted voting system that would give around a third as many more seats to sparsely populated country areas than to urban areas. This was to entrench Afrikaner domination of white South African politics. Astonishingly, the British colonial authorities went along with this. The Liberal government in Britain lacked interest in South Africa, and certainly held no brief for black voters. Thus British Liberals were responsible for the fateful decision that first awarded power over South Africa to the Afrikaners and gave away the rights not just of English-speakers but of blacks. The colonial authorities, it seems, had not done their sums. Given the electoral bias towards the countryside, and with blacks disenfranchised in their provinces, the Afrikaners now secured a majority of seats in the white-dominated parliament. In May 1910 the constitution was promulgated and Botha became the first prime minister of a united South Africa. Eight years after the Boer defeat, their principal military commander was in charge not just of the voortrekker republics, but the whole country. It was a reversal of fortunes without precedent in history, and proof, if such were needed, that the British Empire was nothing if not magnanimous.

Hierdie maak belaglik die stelling van die persoon agter die masker van Jan Rap wat die volgende stelling teenoor Dirk Rigter gemaak het: 

Het jy dan nie gelees wat Tiens vir jou geskryf het nie, of die lys pre-48 apartheidswette wat ek vir jou gelys het nie?

Hierdie bevestig die Afrikaner aan die roer van sake vanaf 1910 en daarmee die mag om 'n spesifieke agenda te kan deurvoer. Die Afrikaner was daar van die begin af en om dit anders te probeer verwoord is om geen begrip van die geskiedenis te besit nie. Soos Henn en Rap al male sonder tal bevestig het. 

The Treaty of Vereeniging effectively put in place an important political underpinning of segregation. The Afrikaners took power and did not relinquish it for 84 years. 

The Union of South Africa was established it was under the predominantly Afrikaner leadership of the South African Party headed by Louis Botha, with the English-speaking Unionist Party in opposition.  

South African politics was now to be decided by internal feuding within the Afrikaner tribe, not by reasoned argument between the country’s main communities. What followed was a series of tribal bloodlettings within the Afrikaner community which resulted in the centre of gravity, already dangerously skewed towards the racist right, moving even more sharply towards the extremists in 1924, veering briefly back to moderation, Afrikaner-style, in 1934, and then returning to extreme right-wing rule under a conspiratorial, tribal-based volkstaat in 1948. This permitted a glimmer of reform only in 1966, and a little more in 1978, before disintegrating in 1990. 

Bogenoemde moet saamgelees word met Rethinking the Rise and Fall of Apartheid South Africa and World Politics van Adrian Guelke en dit wat volg: 

Apartheid was labeled a crime against humanity by the United Nations General Assembly as early as 1966. From 1910 to 1948, South Africa was led by three Afrikaner generals who had fought against the British during the Anglo-Boer war of 1899–1902. The three were Louis Botha, Jan Christiaan Smuts and J.B.M. Hertzog. They headed a variety of administrations, each of which enacted significant segregationist legislation. The transfer of power to the white minority in the defeated Boer republics followed, paving the way to the creation of the Union of South Africa as an independent white-ruled state within the British Empire. 

Voorbeelde van hierdie wetgewing: 

The Native Labour Regulation Act of 1911, one of the so-called Master and Servant laws, made a breach of contract by African mineworkers a criminal offence. 

The Mines and Works Act of the same year prevented the promotion of African workers to skilled work by denying Africans the possibility of acquiring blasting certificates that provided entry into positions of responsibility. 

The Natives Land Act of 1913 made it illegal for Africans to purchase land outside areas designated as native reserves, though this provision was not applied to the Cape because in that province there existed a non-racial property qualification for the exercise of the franchise. However, this came to an end in 1936 under the Native Trust and Land Act and the Representation of Natives Act, which removed Africans from the common roll in the Cape while adding land to the existing reserves so that they totalled 13 per cent of the country. 

Met bogenoemde wetgewing was die Afrikaner stewig in die stoel. 

Die tydperk wat volg behoort aan die Sappe: 

The Apprenticeship Act of 1922 provided that Africans could not be apprenticed. 

The report of the Transvaal Local Government Commission, the Stallard Commission, asserted that towns were ‘the White man’s creation’ and that ‘the masterless Native in urban areas is a source of danger and a cause of degradation to both Black and White’.

In its wake influx control was introduced under the Native Urban Areas Act of 1923. This provided for the removal from the urban areas of ‘idle’ or ‘undesirable’ Africans. 

Maar in 1924 verander die omstandighede weer: 

In 1924 this alliance was defeated by another combination, that of the National Party and the segregationist South African Labour Party. 

En is van die wette wat uitstaan soos volg: 

The Industrial Conciliation Act of 1924 prevented African workers from engaging in collective bargaining. It did so through the simple device of excluding them from the definition of employees under the Act. 

This was one of the first of the so-called ‘civilised labour’ measures intended to enhance the position of white workers, while protecting them against competition from African workers. 

The Immorality Act of 1927 outlawed extramarital sex between whites and Africans. In short, racial discrimination was deeply entrenched in the laws of South Africa well before 1948. 

Vyf jaar later is dit weer verkiesing tyd en is die resultate soos volg: 

The Pact government was re-elected with an increased majority in 1929, though the number of seats held by the South African Labour Party was halved. However, the government soon ran into severe economic difficulties as a result of the impact of the worldwide depression on South Africa. To meet this emergency the National Party and the South African Party formed a coalition. The two parties won an overwhelming victory in the general election that followed in 1933. A year later they agreed to fusion, forming the United National South African Party, which soon became known as the United Party. The white consensus on the policy of segregation helped to facilitate agreement and one consequence of fusion was the enactment of further segregationist legislation. 

Hierdie sukses word in 1938 herhaal: 

Thus, in the general election of May 1938, the United Party government was re-elected with a massive majority. 

Daar moet kop gehou word, want die hierdie bevestig die Afrikaner is nog die hele tyd in die regering en is van die suksesse die volgende net soos die ras beheptheid 'n konstante teenwoordigheid is: 

Much that the National Party of Hertzog had sought had been achieved. Afrikaans had been recognised as one of the country’s two official languages in 1925, South Africa had acquired its own flag in 1928 and South African sovereignty had been recognised through the Statute of Westminster in 1931. 

The prominence of what was called the colour question in elections made white preoccupation with racial issues very evident. A notorious example was a poster used by the gesuiwerdes during the 1938 general elections. They high- lighted their campaign for the prohibition of mixed marriages with the question: ‘How would you like your daughter to marry ...?’. The United Party’s response was to describe the poster as an insult to every white woman in South Africa. 

In 1948 is die 'gesuiwerde NP uiteindelik alleen aan bewind: 

The Nationalists themselves had no doubt that they had been given a mandate to put apartheid into practice. Further, they acted on this assumption so that a number of apartheid’s main legislative pillars were put into place during Malan’s first term of office. This was in contrast to segregation, the legislation of key aspects of which was enacted over a period of decades.  The National Party adopted apartheid as its official racial policy in 1945. In 1947 Malan appointed a commission under Paul Sauer to add flesh to the bare bones of the concept. As Giliomee notes, the policy called for the total separation of whites and Africans as the ultimate goal of policy for the future.  From the outset, the Nationalist government faced resistance to its policies and from the very start, the government took measures to suppress the opposition it faced. After the election, the Minister of Justice established a departmental committee to inquire into the question of Communist influence in South Africa. The outcome was the passage of the Suppression of Communism Act in 1950. In the light of the narrowness of their victory in the 1948 general election, a priority for Afrikaner nationalists was to strengthen their position ahead of the next general election. The HNP and the Afrikaner Party merged in 1951 to form the National Party. However, in spite of the protests the government increased its majority in the general election of April 1953. 

Vanaf 1948 tot 1994 het die NP nooit weer 'n verkiesing verloor nie. 

Soos al voorheen deur Wouter hier uitgelig in vorige briewe is dit hier waar die wetgewing spoed optel en word slegs 'n paar voorbeelde gegee: 

The Prohibition of Mixed Marriages Act of 1949 made marriages across the colour line illegal; a 1968 amendment extended the law to cover marriages contracted by South African citizens outside the country. 

The Immorality Act of 1950 made sex across the colour line illegal; a 1957 amendment increased the criminal penalties applicable to offenders. 

With the Group Areas Act (1950), Africans were confined to segregated areas within the urban areas, while the Prevention of Illegal Squatting Act (1951) prohibited Africans from squatting just outside municipal boundaries. 

The Reservation of Separate Amenities Act of 1953 reinforced the legal basis for segregation by removing any obligation on the government to ensure equality of provision to people of different races. 

In 1959 the Coloured category was sub-divided into seven sub-groups: Cape Coloured, Malay, Griqua, Chinese, Indian, Other Asiatic, and Other Coloured. Under the Act, an individual could appeal against his or her classification to the Race Relations Board. The results of these appeals provide a striking illustration of the racial hierarchy that prevailed under apartheid. 

The Extension of University Education Act of 1959 made it illegal for the University of Cape Town and the University of the Witwatersrand to admit ‘non-white’ students, except by government permit in individual cases. 

Whites-only buses, railway carriages, ambulances, park benches, beaches, swimming pools, libraries, toilets and even lifts in public buildings were a pervasive feature of public amenities in South Africa’s towns after 1948.

Africans taken off the common roll in the 1930s had their representation abolished under the Promotion of Bantu Self-Government Act of 1959. 

Hierdie was die grondslag van 'n Jan Rap se ware vergestalting van demokrasie, die tuislande. 

Daar word afgesluit met die wisselwerking tussen die idees van segregasie en apartheid en is die inleidende  paragraaf soos volg: (nog steeds uit 'Rethinking the Rise and Fall of Apartheid South Africa and World Politics van Adrian Guelke')

Where apartheid differed from segregation was in its much more systematic character. Segregation for many purposes depended on local custom and practice. That had permitted its erosion, a process the National Party was determined to reverse. An important pillar of apartheid was the Population Registration Act of 1950. This provided for the racial classification of the entire population, initially under three headings: Native (which subsequently became Bantu and then Black), White and Coloured. 

Daar word afgesluit met SEGREGATION AND APARTHEID IN TWENTIETH- CENTURY SOUTH Africa. Edited by William Beinart and Saul Dubow: 

Segregation was the name coined in early twentieth-century South Africa for the set of government policies and social practices which sought to regulate the relationship between white and black, colonizers and colonized. Many elements of segregation had precursors in the period of Dutch rule between 1652 and 1806, as well as in the nineteenth-century Boer republics and British colonies.

But it was only in the twentieth century that the ideology of segregation was refined and the reach of the system fully extended. This followed a lengthy historical process which saw the final conquest of African chiefdoms in the 1890s and the consolidation of the boundaries of the South African state in the aftermath of the 1899–1902 South African War. Modern segregation represented a response to the industrialization of the subcontinent, initiated by the discovery and exploitation of diamonds and gold from the 1860s. It arose out of the modernizing dynamics of a newly industrializing society and was therefore not, as some have suggested, a mere carryover into the twentieth century of older traditions of slavery, agrarian paternalism or frontier conflict. The distinction between segregation (from about 1900 to 1948) and apartheid (from 1948 to 1990) is a rough guide. Segregation in South Africa encompassed many different social relationships. It is often discussed as a series of legislative Acts which removed and restricted the rights of ‘non-whites’ in every possible sphere. Among the most important of these measures were the 1911 Mines and Works Act (segregation in employment),the 1913 Natives Land Act (segregation in the countryside and prohibitions on African land purchase), the 1923 Natives (Urban Areas) Act (urban residential segregation), the 1936 Representation of Natives Act (abolition of the remnant African franchise) and the 1936 Native Trust and Land Act (an elaboration of the 1913 Land Act). Segregation was, however, more than a panoply of restrictive legislation: it refers as well to a composite ideology and set of practices seeking to legitimize social difference and economic inequality in every aspect of life. In analysing the transition from segregation to apartheid some writers stress elements of continuity. They point out that much of the core apartheid legislation amounted to a mere elaboration of earlier segregationist measures. For others, apartheid represented so great an intensification of segregationist ideology and practices that it could be considered as qualitatively different. Afrikaner nationalism and apartheid has even been likened to fascism. Although some Afrikaners were profoundly influenced by fascist ideas and supported Germany during the Second World War, the analogy breaks down in crucial respects.

Nevertheless, it is true to say that apartheid purported to be a rigorous and totalizing ideology in a way that segregation had never been. The rhetoric of apartheid bore considerable similarities to white supremacist statements of the segregation era, but the central appeal to Afrikaner ethnic exclusivity was a distinctive aspect of apartheid. The context in which apartheid was introduced was also markedly different from the earlier segregationist period. In the era of European colonialism, segregation in South Africa did not appear exceptional. By contrast, in the democratizing postwar world and at the time of decolonization, apartheid began to stand out internationally as an immoral system in a way that its predecessor had not. By the 1960s, with the banning of the African National Congress and the Pan-Africanist Congress and the systematic jailing of the African nationalist leadership—most notably Nelson Mandela—South Africa came to be regarded as a pariah state. Internationally, apartheid came to embody the evils of racist exploitation, while the South African liberation struggle served to symbolize, along with the civil rights movement in the United States, the aspirations of all those who strove for common human dignity and freedom. 

Best Wishes (Kan werklike kwessies nou bespreek word?)

Lilly White

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Kommentaar

  • So 'n klomp snert het ek lanklaas te siene gekry. Uit die staanspoor is dit duidelik dat ons hier te doen het met 'n boerehater, soos uit die verdraaide siening van die oorsake van die Engelse oorlog.

    Dan word dit nogal aan ons opgedis asof dit nou 'n "gewaardeerde siening" moet wees van 'n objektiewe persoon.

    'n Bol snot as daar ooit een was.

    Varkspek

  • CorneliusHenn

    Heil die leser.        

     

    Hoe hartseer vir die res wat so gedurig aan die arme "nerd" Wouter Ferns (soos hy na homself verwys vir simpatie), se spoeg en plak hang omdat hulle dink dis slim.        

     

    Dis lankal reeds duidelik dat ALLES wat agter naam Wouter Ferns wegkruip, wel die een of ander verskuilde agenda dien.        

     

    Hoekom "Lilly White" nie "haar" eie ... geplaas het nie, sal ook net die ... weet.      

     

    Nietemin, die hele bedoeling met hul aksionabele propaganda kan in hul inleiding gelees word: "The Boers, according to a witness, were, ‘starving, ragged men, clad in skins or sacking, their bodies covered with sores, from lack of salt and food ... their appearance was a great shock to us, who came from the better-conditioned forces in the Cape. The Boers’ corrupt and obscurantist government had sought to disenfranchise not just the blacks but the British on their territory, daring the colonial authorities to do nothing about it and the Boers formulated their own ideology for promoting their language should they  ever attain power over the English".      

    Sulke ..., lees byna of al die Boere aan VIGS gely het.        

     

    "a witness" in die aanhaling hierbo, lees ook nes Chris Dippenaar voorheen se kwansuis gesaghebbende "Slayer X" wat alles en almal kan "debunk".      

     

    Natuurlik glo die gebreinspoelde napraters heel opgewonde elke stukkie wat deur die "Lilly White Wouter Ferns" gespoeg en plak word!      

     

    Kwessies wat wel duidelik hieruit staan is eerstens; dat die Boere wel as 'n volk beskryf dus erken word - tweedens; die feit dat selfs 'n leek hierbo kan lees hoe desperaat Ingelse kruipers hul propaganda voer om hul ingebore rassehaat te verontskuldig, en derdens; dat sulke aanhalings wat enige ander ras of volk sou raak, as lasterlik en rassisme beskryf sou word wyl dit hier gewaardeer word.      

     

    Die onsin wat "Lilly White Wouter Ferns" egter hierbo probeer verklaar is: "1900 tot 1948 = segregasie & 1948 tot 1991 = apartheid".        

     

    Die desperate poging in "Lilly White Wouter Ferns" se gewaande stelling is om die Ingelse se segregasiebeleid tussen 1900 en 1948, as iets helder "Lilly White" onskuldig te verklaar teenoor 1948 tot 1991, se (Pik Botha) donker apartheid.        

     

    "Hul" poging van meer as 3000 woorde is egter so deurspek en onderhewig aan haat en afkeur teenoor die Boere, dat dit gewoon belaglik is (politiek geskape Afrikaners 1948-1991/jaar nul tot huidig, soos Dirk Rigter en Jaco Fourie, word nie as Boere gereken en word dus "Lilly White Wouter Ferns" se afkeur gespaar).         Vir enigeen wat regtig meer omtrent segregasie/apartheid en die geskiedenis daarvan wil weet, plaas ek die volgende skakel as 'n geringe inleiding tot die onderwerp: http://prezi.com/mllyoy_xpebx/apartheid-and-segregation/      

     

    'n Betekenisvolle omskrywing vir segregasie, kan aan die Apartheid Museum se mure gelees word: Segregation - In 1910 South Africa was united for the first time into a single nation known as the Union of South Africa. The majority of blacks, along with white women, were denied the vote. Racial segregation became the official policy throughout the Union and laid the foundation for apartheid. The two dominant politicians at the time, Jan Smuts and J B M Hertzog, were the architects of segregation. The new state was immediately confronted by opposition from several quarters such as the South African Native National Congress (later known as the ANC), the white miner strikes (from 1913 to 1922) and the first Trade Union (the ICU). Much of this opposition was suppressed by force. http://www.apartheidmuseum.org/segregation          

     

    Daar word gedurig deur die Ingelse propagandamakers beweer dat segregasie en apartheid verskil omdat apartheid in wet vervat en deur die regering na 1948 as beleid opgeneem is. Dit wyl segregasie kamstig informeel en as iets onskuldig in die normale omgang van die ideologie van die land bedryf is. Die 100 jaar herdenking van die "Natives Land Act Number 27 1913", behoort egter selfs vir 'n Ingelse misantroop met twee breinselle genoeg bewys vir die leun daarin te lees.        

     

    Die Ingelse se segregasie/apartheid, had ook wortels elders in die wêreld: http://www.bet.com/news/global/2012/01/06/breakdown-apartheid-vs-jim-crow.html      

     

    Ek het nie veel beter van die Ingelse sikofante "Lilly White Wouter Ferns" verwag nie.        

     

    Boeregroete,        

     

    Cornelius Henn            

  • CorneliusHenn

    Dankie Varkspek ... dis altyd goed om te lees dat daar minstens andere is wat ook deur Lilly White Wouter Ferns se aksionabele twak op die werf kan sien ...

     

  • Chris Dippenaar

    Die getuie wat aangehaal word is natuurlik Deneys Reitz: “... starving, ragged men, clad in skins or sacking, their bodies covered with sores, from lack of salt and food , and their appearance was a great shock to us, who came from the better-conditioned forces in the Cape” (Commando – 1932:316). Dis jammer dat die aanhaling in Wouter se stuk hierbo nie sluit waar dit moet nie, maar “ ..., lees byna of al die Boere aan VIGS gely het”, komende van Cornelius, is kommentaar wat ons al aan gewoond geraak het.

    Die volgende gedeelte van die aanhaling is nie noodwendig die rede hoekom mense soos Reitz (dit is nie sy woorde nie) die geweer opgeneem het teen die Britte nie: “The Boers’ corrupt and obscurantist government had sought to disenfranchise not just the blacks but the British on their territory, daring the colonial authorities to do nothing about it and the Boers formulated their own ideology for promoting their language should they  ever attain power over the English". Hierdie is dalk eerder 'n oorvereenvoudigde interpretasie en verskaffing van rede deur die wenners van hierdie oorlog uit 'n latere periode toe ras en Afrikaner nasionalisme tot die voorgrond getree het.

    Die boek van Deneys Reitz het 'n groot indruk gemaak op my. Dit is die weergawe van 'n eerbare en goeie jong seun wat betrokke was in 'n onnodige en onwenbare oorlog. Die aanhaling hierbo word voorafgegaan met: “… and nothing could have proven more clearly how nearly the Boer cause was spent than these starving, ragged men...”, gevolg met: “Their spirit was undaunted, but they have reached the limit of physical endurance, and we realized that, if these haggard, emaciated men were the pick of the Transvaal commandos, then the war must be irretrievably lost”.

    Ek sien nie soos Varkspek (en Cornelius) dat hierdie paragraaf die res van Wouter se bydrae ondermyn nie. Segregasie en apartheid is en was 'n euwel, of dit nou deur die Britte, die Afrikaner of Marsmannetjies toegepas word, maak geen verskil. Ek hardloop nie heeldag rond met 'n skotteltjie water en 'n handdoek om mense se voete te was nie, maar daar is geen fokken manier hoe ek die verlede van apartheid gaan probeer regverdig, en erger nog, my ken hoog hou daaroor nie.

  • CorneliusHenn

    Chris Dippenaar, impliseer dit waar ek myself in alle nederigheid en waardigheid daarvan verontskuldig, ek apartheid regverdig? ... nee, ek regverdig nie apartheid nie  - en dis die lasterlikheid waarteen ek hier beswaar maak! ... ek het nog nooit in my lewe die Nasionale Party (wettige regering van die dag) of hul beleid gesteun nie ... my Voortrekker konserwatiewe en federale hoop is nog altyd uit selfrespek vir my, en ander se erfenis ... dit, wyl ek in elke Godsdiens so eenvoudig soos 'n kind sonder grense voor ons almal se Skepper kniel, ek wel die grense waaraan ons Godgegewe identiteit geken word respekteer ... as Suid-Afrika so in 'n kulturele hutspot gebreinspoel kan word, hoekom nie die hele wêreld nie? ... dit gaan nie oor julle gebreinspoelde napraters nie Chris Dippenaar - dit gaan oor die idee daaraan ... nes jy gedurig sameswering in Godsdiens soek, ek sameswering van die Geldmag om ons Boere te ondermyn glo ... ek is egter BAIE bly om te lees dat jy ook die Ingelse se segregasie as ewe boos aan die politiek geskape Afrikaner se apartheid beskou - mooi so!

     

     

     

  • CorneliusHenn

    ... en o ja Chris Dippenaar, ek dink regtig jy onderskat die meeste belangstellendes se intelligensie hier ... dis duidelik dat jy die bedrog omtrent die aanhalinge uit jou mede sikofante Lilly White Wouter Ferns se bydrae, aan my probeer afsmeer ... dis dan jou eie maatjies wat die aanhaling so verkrag het en toe as "a witness" se weergawe gelieg het - nes jy gedurig jou gesaghebbende "Slayer X" aanvoer om alles en almal te "debunk" ... duidelik is julle in dieselfde nes!

     

     

  • Hello Varkspek, 

     
    So dit is 'payback time'. Heeltemal regverdig so, ek het darem ook al erge kritiek op meeste van jou skrywes hier geplaas. Hierdie is dus nou jou beurt. Jy is net verkeerd oor een ander aspek, behalwe nou vir die 'bol snot', 'n boerehater is ek nie en so ook nie 'n hater van die Afrikaner nie. 
     
    Al wat ek 'haat' is die hardkoppigheid van sekere tipes wat nie geskiedenis wil konfronteer soos dit werklik was nie. Soos 'n Jan Rap, 'n Cornelius Henn, wie se skrywe net verwarring skep, en dan soos jy. 
     
    Ek het al bevestig, daar is geen wens van my kant af dat die Afrikaner soos Job op die ashoop moet gaan sit en sy swere met potskerf krap nie, of soos Chris skryf, almal se voete was nie, maar is 'n Jan Rap en menige ander se kommentaar in die media ongevoelig en bot en ontbreek respek en is die minste wat van van 'n persoon verwag kan word, dat daar met insig en respek met sy volk se geskiedenis omgegaan word en nie in die dwaal van ontkenning wat 'n Varkspek, 'n Jan Rap, 'n Cornelius Henn hier openbaar en enige ander wat hier rondsluip nie. 
     
    Baie dankie
     
    Wouter
  • Hello Cornelius, 

     
    Lilly voel dit is baie duidelik dat begrip 'n probleem is by jou, soos al gesien is met elke liewe gesprek hier en dan die bietjie wat jy gaan google voor jy kommentaar lewer, hopeloos te desperaat dat jou stem ten alle koste gehoor moet word. 
     
    Beide Lilly en myself versoek, wil jy nie vir een maal in jou lewe 'n boek of twee gaan aanskaf nie wat oor die onderwerp van bespreking handel nie en dan so omvang en konteks onder die knie kry nie. 
     
    Indien jy Lilly se brief met aandag gelees het, dan sal jy sien sy skryf:  

    South African politics was now to be decided by internal feuding within the Afrikaner tribe, not by reasoned argument between the country’s main communities. What followed was a series of tribal bloodlettings within the Afrikaner community which resulted in the centre of gravity, already dangerously skewed towards the racist right, moving even more sharply towards the extremists in 1924, veering briefly back to moderation, Afrikaner-style, in 1934, and then returning to extreme right-wing rule under a conspiratorial, tribal-based volkstaat in 1948. This permitted a glimmer of reform only in 1966, and a little more in 1978, before disintegrating in 1990. 

    Met dit dan behoort jy die verskil in die doelstellinge van 'n Smuts versus 'n Hertzog te verstaan en hoe dit in die politiek uitspeel. 

    Lilly, sit hier langs my, en vra weer wie is die persoon wat so sukkel met begrip. 

    Sy versoek ook dat ek jou vra waar staan jy presies? Aangesien die skakel van jou, http://prezi.com/mllyoy_xpebx/apartheid-and-segregation/  sekere van die aspekte aanspreek wat sy uitgelig het en soos volg herhaal kan word: 

    The context in which apartheid was introduced was also markedly different from the earlier segregationist period. In the era of European colonialism, segregation in South Africa did not appear exceptional.      

    Lilly bevestig dat dit duidelik beskryf is in die inleidende brief alhowel sy nie 'n enkele skakel met die naam van 'prezi.com' sou beskou 'n volledige bron van die onderwerp te wees nie en beveel weereens aan, kry vir jou 'n boek, maar tot dan deel sy die volgende insigte met jou as 'n lig waarin die hele rasse segregasie kwessie beskou kan word: 
     
    ‘Civilisation’s going to pieces,’ Tom Buchanan, the Yale-educated millionaire, abruptly informs Nick Carraway in The Great Gatsby. 
     
    ‘I’ve gotten to be a terrible pessimist about things. Have you read The Rise of the Colored Empires by this man Goddard? … The idea is if we don’t look out the white race will be – will be utterly submerged.’ ‘Tom’s getting very profound,’ his wife Daisy remarks. Buchanan carries on: ‘This fellow has worked out the whole thing. It’s up to us, who are the dominant race, to watch out or these other races will have control of things.’ ‘We’ve got to beat them down,’ Daisy whispers with a wink at Nick. But there’s no stopping Buchanan. ‘And we’ve produced all the things that go to make civilisation – oh, science and art, and all that. Do you see?’‘There was something pathetic in his concentration,’ Carraway, the narrator, observes, ‘as if his complacency, more acute than of old, was not enough to him any more.’ 
     
    The scene, early in the novel, helps identify Buchanan as a bore – and a boor. It also evokes a deepening panic among America’s Anglophile ruling class. Wary of Jay Gatz, the self-made man with a fake Oxbridge pedigree, Buchanan is nervous about other upstarts rising out of nowhere to challenge the master race.
     
    Scott Fitzgerald based Goddard, at least partly, on Theodore Lothrop Stoddard, the author of the bestseller The Rising Tide of Color against White World Supremacy(1920). 
     
    Stoddard’s fame was a sign of his times, of the overheated racial climate of the early 20th century, in which the Yellow Peril seemed real, the Ku Klux Klan had re-emerged, and Theodore Roosevelt worried loudly about ‘race-suicide’. In 1917, justifying his reluctance to involve the United States in the European war, Woodrow Wilson told his secretary of state that ‘white civilisation and its domination over the world rested largely on our ability to keep this country intact.’
     
    Hysteria about ‘white civilisation’ gripped America after Europe’s self-mutilation in the First World War had encouraged political assertiveness among subjugated peoples from Egypt to China. Unlike other popular racists, who parsed the differences between Nordic and Latin peoples, Stoddard proposed a straightforward division of the world into white and coloured races. He also invested early in Islamophobia, arguing in The New World of Islam (1921) that Muslims posed a sinister threat to a hopelessly fractious and confused West. Like many respectable eugenicists of his time, Stoddard later found much to like about the Nazis, which marked him out for instant superannuation following the exposure of Nazi crimes in 1945.The banner of white supremacism has been more warily raised ever since in post-imperial Europe, and very rarely by mainstream politicians and writers.
     
    Lilly, wil weet, is die geselskap waarmee jy wil meng? 
     
    Maar nou gaan ons eers tee drink... jy kan oorkom as jy wil? 
     
    Baie dankie
     
    Lilly & Wouter
     
  • Hello Chris, 

     
    Van my kant af, baie dankie vir jou reaksie. 
     
    Verwysende na Deneys Reitz al wat aangehaal is deur die skrywer van die boek is die volgende: 
     
    The Boers, according to a witness, were, ‘starving, ragged men, clad in skins or sacking, their bodies covered with sores, from lack of salt and food ... their appearance was a great shock to us, who came from the better-conditioned forces in the Cape.’ 
     
    Ek het dus niks uitgelaat nie, dit was al wat daar was. Net soos ek dit vreemd vind dat daar geen voetnota's is nie. Dit is 'n jammerte want ek aanvaar nou al dat dit daar is wanneer 'n mens dit nodig het. 
     
    Smuts word ook aangehaal en is sy argument by die Vrede van Vereeniging soos volg: 
     
    We represent not only ourselves, but also the thousands who are dead and have made the last sacrifice for their people, the prisoners of war scattered all over the world, and the women and children who are dying out by thousands in the concentration camps of the enemy; we represent the blood and the tears of an entire nation. They call upon us, from the prisoner-of-war camps, from the concentration camps, from the grave, from the field and from the womb of the future, to decide wisely and to avoid all measures which may lead to the decline and then extermination of the Afrikaner people, and thus frustrate the objects for which they made all their sacrifices ... As soon as we are convinced that, humanly speaking, there is no reasonable chance to retain our independence as republics, it clearly becomes our duty to stop the struggle in order that we may not perhaps sacrifice our people and our future for a mere idea which cannot be realized ... Perhaps it is [God’s] will to lead the people of South Africa through defeat and humiliation, yea, even through the valley of the shadow of death, to a better future and brighter day.

     
    Natuurlik staan 'n mens nie sonder gevoel teenoor die toneel geskets nie en was ek diep geraak daardeur en is dit hoekom daardie aanhaling gekies was, dit was juis weens meegevoel en bevestig hierdie vir my die mynveld van die verskillende aansprake wat nie versoen kon word nie. 
     
    Maar van daardie platgeslane toestand tot aan bewind wees in 1910, is die pad wat geloop is en dan kan daar nie net vertoef word by die oomblik van nederlaag nie en daarom dankie vir jou insig om dit te sien en die pad geloop. 
     
    Baie dankie
     
    Wouter
     
  • CorneliusHenn

    Tragies "Lilly White Wouter Ferns" ... tragies ook vir die arme siele wat "jul" slimmigheid so aangryp ... waarom my die hele tyd selfs met jou buikpoppe bespreek? ... probeer by die punt hou en verklaar hoekom "julle" twak eerder geglo moet word as selfs die inskrywings by die Apartheid Museum (lees my eerste kommentaar) ... derhalwe het jou mede sikofant Chris Dippenaar, ook jou bedrog met aanhalings wat "julle" doelbewus saamgeflans het om die Boere mee te belaster, ewe kruiperig uitgewys het (ja, dis so blatant dat Chris Dippenaar selfs dit nie kon spaar nie) ... jou verskonintjies is ook maar flou - as gerekende slimjan, moes "julle" mos seker gemaak het voor jy sulke twak plaas  ... val verby - al julle Ingelse kruipers en gebreinspoelde napraters van die regering van die dag!

     

  • Chris Dippenaar

    Hello Wouter

    Ek beskou dit as 'n blote glips dat die aanhaling in jou oorspronklike skrywe nie afgesluit is soos jy hierbo demonstreer. Dit het egter ongelukkig die indruk geskep dat die tweede helfte van die paragraaf gelees kon word as deel van die aanhaling.

    Ek hoop nie dat jy dink ek het probeer insinueer dat dit doelbewus was nie.

    Soos jy en Lilly wonder ek ook of Cornelius ooit dink voordat hy iets hier kom plak. Lyk my die ou pas nou midrash toe op Afrikaner-geskiedenis ook.

    Chris

  • CorneliusHenn

    Kruip Chris Dippenaar, kruip ... dis al waarin jou slimmigheid waarmee jy so desperaat probeer om Godsdiens te ondermyn, verval het ... nou is jy duidelik nog 'n Boerehater ook! ... die punt is egter die kamstige verskil tussen segregasie en apartheid - glo jy ook die Ingelse geskiedenis in ons land en hul segregasie is edel? ... nee wat Chris Dippenaar; mag jy wel eendag genoeg murg in jou pype het om die kerk waar jy so lafhartig onder die venster staan en bespot, binne te gaan ...  intussen pas jy goed in saam met die arme klug "Lilly White Wouter Ferns", die politiek geskape Afrikaner Dirk Rigter en die dekadente promiskue volbloed homoseksuele en ewe ideologiese gemaakte Afrikaner Jaco Fourie (soos hulself graag daarmee spog) ... 

     

     

  • Chris Dippenaar

    Cornelius, so omtrent dertig jaar gelede het ouens met jou mentaliteit vir my 'n nommer gegee (82261793BG) en sou my 'n k*f*erboetie genoem het as ek dit nie gememoriseer het nie. “Boerehater” is 'n skelwoord wat jy maar op jou eie teen 'n muur moet gaan afbons, ek gaan dit nie terugspeel vir jou nie.

  • Hello Chris, 

     
    Ek aanvaar dit so en was jou uitbreiding welkom en is dit juis die tipe van konteks en uitbreiding wat ek verwelkom. 
     
    Henn sal dit nie glo nie, maar vir my is die poging om 'n aanhaling en verwysing reg te kry veel meer belangriker as wat ek oor 'n onderwerp dink. Indien dit nie van belang is nie, dan lees die persoon selektief en bied 'n aanhaling so aan dat sy eie denke verwoord en daaraan het ek 'n broertjie dood. 
     
    Daarom is ek veel meer bekommerd dat die strekking en die verduidelik asook die betekenis reg gekry word, dat die 'close reading' staande bly en ek bevestig ook dat jy 'n leser is wat met aandag lees en dit is 'n eerlike kompliment en nie 'kruip nie. Die platvloerse wat Henn rondgooi. Indien almal maar net 'close readers' was, dan so gesprek ook al beter gewees het en nie die onigeligte midrash mismash wat so die botoon voer by Henn en trawante. 
     
    Baie dankie
     
    Wouter
     
    Ns, en dan voetnotas, ek is so teleurgestel dat die inleidende boek nie voetnotas het nie, wat 'n jammerte, want sekerlik behoort dit standaard te wees.... 
     
  • Hello, 

     
    Hierdie kan ek maar net beaam. Die naweek het ek uiteindelik opgevang met Donkerland. Die reeks wat Jan Rap soveel verdriet gee. 
     
    My ma het vir my 12 episodes opgeneem op hul PVR. 
     
    Sonder enige twyfel 'n kragtige en roerende reeks volgens my oordeel en regverdig. Die De Witt stamvader is 'n man van imbors en glad nie 'n uitbeelding wat die Afrikaner as agterlik sien nie. Dit is met daardie uitbeelding wat my verhoed het om op Oom Paul se mense te reageer, die brief. 
     
    Die probleem kom met die latere geslagte en is die Afrikaner volgens daardie uitbeelding vasgevang in 'n mentaliteit wat hulle gevange hou. 
     
    Daar is net een draad waarop ek wil kommentaar en aanluiting vind tot bogenoemde van Chris. Die Afrikaner volgens hierdie vertelling wat dit het teen die volgende soorte: 
     
    'Hanskakie, Joiner, boerehater' en dan die laagtepunt van 'k* f*rboetie. Met die haat eweredig versprei tussen die wat krities is teen die Afrikaner, asook haat teen die Engelse en die Swartes. 
     
    Hierdie is 'n nie 'n goeie uitbeelding nie en verduidelik baie van die psige, met die opstande van 1976 waar die bevolking as 'ter's' gesien was en word daar daar minimale selfondersoek getoon en is die verkrampte die norm en die verligte die uitsonder. 
     
    Om daarom dan deur Varkspek en Henn 'n 'boerehater' genoem te word deur 'n mede Afrikaner is maar doodgewoon die volharding van 'n tradisie wat eerder moet laat staan word. 
     
    Baie dankie
     
    Wouter
  • CorneliusHenn

    Die klug "Lilly White Wouter Ferns" en Chris Dippenaar, stuur soos gewoonlik weg van die kwessie hier naamlik; hul gewaande onderskeid tussen die Britte se segregasie as iets bevorderbaar en apartheid, die skandvlek op die ideologies geskape Afrikaner ... die klug "Lilly White Wouter Ferns", kon nie enige sin daarin deel sonder "hul" verkragte aanhaling deur "a witness" waarin die Boere belaster word nie ... Chris Dippenaar se "arme ekke met 'n nommer en dis jou skuld" kommintare, is ook tipies nes Wouter Ferns se patetieke bleeksiel pleite vir simpatie in byne elke spoeg en plak op die werf ... ek stel hierdie sodat enigeen wat belangstel weet dat ek wel bewus is van die onsinnigheid om met sulke onderdrukkers en anderhaters met kamstig die stand van die dag in hul koker, rede te voer ...  die punt ter sprake - weereens vergete deur die slimjanne ... 

     

     

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